Monday, December 30, 2013

from now on maybe I'll just write about previews instead of actually watching the movies


I have written here before about how I didn't get Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, even though I really REALLY tried to like it. I think I have a reasonable imagination. I read books and watch movies and I relate to the characters in them. I don't generally have a sociopath-style lack of empathy, and I rarely have trouble understanding and getting emotionally involved the story of a fictional character, even a character whose life is very different from my own. And yet I can't get my head around Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind. And I suspect the same thing is going to happen with Spike Jonze's new movie, which people are raving about, and which also seems to portray a relationship between a flesh-and-blood human man, and a woman who is not a person. In the case of Eternal Sunshine, the relationship was between a) a man and b) his internal reconstruction of a woman who actually exists. In Her, the female lead is an AI, an operating system. 

I don't know why but I feel compelled to clarify: I'm not saying that my feminist ideals stop me liking Eternal Sunshine out of some political or moral commitment. I promise I am quite capable of enjoying a movie that is at odds with my personal and political beliefs. I'm saying that when I watch that movie, I just plain don't get it. 

And also, I'm not saying Her can't be a very good movie. It might even explore ideas of gender and romance in ways that are interesting. I'm just scared that it will be one of those forehead-crinkling experiences where I question my basic humanity/cognitive function/sanity, because everyone else gets it and even though I am pretty sure I'm not stupid, I do not get it. I might just not see it, because this experience is so genuinely alienating when it happens. 

Maybe also, we could work on a list of movies where women play a central role, and have relationships with male characters who are not really experiencing the story. I can't think of any, but of course I haven't seen every movie ever made (yet). It's true that a lot of romantic comedies are populated by implausible weird ideal men who probably don't exist in life, and the women are (slightly) more realistic, but that's not what I'm talking about. I'm looking for stories about heterosexual romance in which the story is told from the perspective of the woman, and the man has a questionable if any lived experience of the story. My sad little list is very unsatisfying: Bicentennial Man, Edward Scissorhands, Making Mister Right, The Purple Rose of Cairo, the relationship between Data and Tasha Yar. Mostly, that's just a list of movies in which ladies made it with robots. Which might be a useful list, but which is not totally relevant here, especially since most of those stories are pretty focused on the experience of being a whatever-non-human-thing. 

12 comments:

michael said...

Right now I am really wondering what you think of Lars and the Real Girl. Because it would seem to tick off all the worst gendered boxes of these types of stories--including the actual woman who falls in love with Lars because he loves his Real Girl so much(?)--and yet. Now I kind of want to rewatch it.

I have hopes for Her, because I suspect that a substantial part of it is going to be about the experience of being an AI in love. At least, I've heard good things about Scarlet Johansen's voice-only performance, so I assume she's got a good character arc. But that could be wishful thinking.

Lydia said...

I think Lars and the Real Girl is different because it's very conscious of how weird it is for a human to be romantically involved with a thing that's not a person. The movie doesn't expect me to automatically be on board with this weird relationship. I mean, not that Her isn't aware of the weirdness (I assume). It seems like it is. Maybe Her is just as much about what it's like to BE the not-human thing.

I wonder if I would be less apprehensive if it had all the same marketing and everything but it was called "She."

Kirsten said...

I like the idea of a grammatical shift in one word can change the entire tenor of a movie.

I'd love to find the movie was about the OS and not the user.

I remember thinking Lars and the Real Girl was about Lars and not any women at all, so the question was outside my line of sight. I prefer to keep thinking of it that way, as my only other option is to see a real doll as representing an actual literal woman, which I sort of don't want to.

Let's take the question outside gender roles: is Harvey about a Pooka or about a man who comes home and the home to which he returns? Not the Pooka right?

michael said...

I would enthusiastically watch "She"!

Moving beyond gender and romance: Robot and Frank was a terrific little story about friendship where one of the friends was explicitly non-sentient*, which is a real rarity in human+robot stories.

*though don't some philosophy of mind types call a non-sentient who behaves in a sentient fashion a "zombie"? Wheels within wheels, man.

Lydia said...

Fictional characters, being fictional, never have a lived experience, therefore all movies are zombie movies.

Haven't seen Robot & Frank, but it looks like it's on Netflix so I might watch it this weekend.

Check out the last line of this Slate article:
http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2014/01/03/her_movie_by_spike_jonze_with_joaquin_phoenix_and_scarlett_johansson_lacks.html

Kirsten said...

SO. We went to see American Hustle last night, and beforehand they ran a preview for She that I haven't yet seen. It left me wondering this:

Is She less about a guy gets the perfect girl a la Weird Science, or is She more about questioning what it would be like to live with OS's that are alive? I guess might question is, what if this is less Ruby Sparks and more Blade Runner. Less "I made you and you're perfect!" and more "Hey you seem to be alive and have agency. Let's talk about that."

Might that be, and if it is, is it different?

I wrote this whole review before I realized that called it She and not Her. I'm leaving it to signify my feeling possibly different about the movie.

Lydia said...

I missed all the previews before American Hustle, because I was waiting in line for coffee.

I totally think it's possible that SHE is a) an exploration of what it is (will be) like to live with AIs and/or b) about the experience of being an AI in love (like Michael said).

If only there were some way to find out what this movie is actually about.

Kirsten said...

There is and we did.

WE SAW HER.

Kirsten said...

There is and we did.

WE SAW HER.

Lydia said...

My predictions were all wrong. If Her has a bit of a sexism problem, it's in its human women, not Samantha. My response to the movie was pretty tepid, but not because of a lack of [concern with] conscious experience on the part of the female lead.

Kirsten said...

I have been wanting to write a lavish praising review of the costumes in Her, but Google images is failing to produce the requisite screenshots.

I too had fewer concerns after seeing it and after Lydia made the Martin Gardner connection.

I'm interested in the SciFi-y bits though, especially since I've been reading so much SF lately.

Lydia said...

Hexapawn Educable Robot!